shivver: (DT absolute radio)
[personal profile] shivver
What better way to stop my depressing journal posts than a meme? I've yoinked this from [livejournal.com profile] lost_spook. I would really love any suggestions of characters to talk about it.

Give me a character and I'll tell you my:

First impression
Impression now
Favorite moment
Idea for a story
Unpopular opinion
Favorite relationship
Favorite headcanon

Please note: You can suggest any character but if it's outside Doctor Who, I may not know it. If I don't, I'll choose a similar character from a non-DW universe that I do know.

Date: 2016-11-14 04:45 pm (UTC)
bas_math_girl: Doctor Come With Me (Rory)
From: [personal profile] bas_math_girl
Rory Williams, please? :)

Date: 2016-11-14 05:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shivver13.livejournal.com
<3 Rory. You can tell because he's one of my few non-DT userpics.

First impression: He was the stereotypical besotted pussy-whipped boyfriend to Amy.

Impression now: He's the best-constructed recurring character of the Moffat tenure, with actual character growth. He invested his love for Amy into becoming a strong person, willing to go nose-to-nose with the Doctor when he needed to, filling the role of the Doctor's conscience that Amy never did. Amy is one lucky woman to have him.

Favorite moment: I would point to my userpic here, but actually, that's not it. I'd have to point to "The Pandorica Opens" - his first appearance with the Doctor not noticing he's back, his holding Amy as she began to die, his gaping at the Doctor appearing in front of him with the mop, and especially, his drawing his sword and standing guard in front of the Pandorica.

Idea for a story: Amy and Rory's first date after Amy finally realized that he wasn't gay and was in love with her.

Unpopular opinion: Rory deserved a lot better than Amy. (Don't get me wrong. I like Amy. I just think she treated him poorly.)

Favorite relationship: Rory and the Doctor. I love that Rory is a companion who is not dazzled by the Doctor. I suppose that Rory is Eleven's Donna.

Favorite headcanon: I'm pretty satisfied with Rory's storyline, so I wouldn't change anything, but this is my favorite headcanon: There's a fanfic in which Nine, just after Rose refused to travel with him, encounters Rory during his life with Amy after "Angels Take Manhattan". Neither of them know who the other is. Trying to figure out how to entice Rose, the Doctor asks Rory where in the world he'd take his wife if he could, and Rory says that he'd take her back to the moment they first met, to tell her that everything would be all right. Nine gets the idea to tell Rose that the TARDIS travels in time from that.

Date: 2016-11-14 10:09 pm (UTC)
bas_math_girl: Doctor Come With Me (Rory doubled)
From: [personal profile] bas_math_girl
I completely agree with your unpopular opinion, so don't worry.

And I suddenly fancy finding a picture of Rory in his Roman soldier uniform.... Weird that should happen. ;)

Date: 2016-11-15 09:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dm12.livejournal.com
Yup... Rory is Eleven's Donna. Both grew tremendously during their time with the Doctor, neither one would take his nonsense! I agree, both Donna and Rory deserved better than they got....

Date: 2016-11-14 05:16 pm (UTC)
lost_spook: (Default)
From: [personal profile] lost_spook
To return the favour, how about Kryten? (Or Holly if you'd rather. I miss Holly.)

Date: 2016-11-16 12:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shivver13.livejournal.com
This is so very hard because I'm not as familiar with Red Dwarf as I'd like to be. Years ago (probably over 10 years now), a friend gave us DVDs of the whole run and we watched through 2 or 3 seasons - I know that we got to see Kryten, but only just the very beginning of that character. We enjoyed it very much and always meant to get back to watching it all, but have only seen an episode here and there.

So, I'd have to go with Holly and I can't actually answer all the questions, as I don't remember details.

I remember loving Holly's completely dry delivery and how horrible he sometimes was to Lister though it was completely in character for a computer (you know, following the rules when it was completely inappropriate). I did get the impression that somewhere deep down inside that he loved making life difficult, or at least more amusing.

I actually have listed in my document of "stories that maybe I'll write someday" an idea for the Doctor landing on Red Dwarf, and part of the idea of course has his interactions with Holly. I've just never acted on it because it's such a daunting task to get them all right.

Date: 2016-11-16 08:59 am (UTC)
shyfoxling: Ravenclaw crest (Default)
From: [personal profile] shyfoxling
I would dig a DW/RD crossover!

Date: 2016-11-22 07:39 pm (UTC)
shyfoxling: Ravenclaw crest (Default)
From: [personal profile] shyfoxling
Oh -- I meant one written by [livejournal.com profile] shivver13! Although I will check these out too. I know I've read the last one because it's already in my Teaspoon favorites. I don't know if I've possibly run across any of the others on AO3 or FFN (where I subscribe to the feed for this specific crossover, but there hasn't been anything new posted to it in like a year).

Date: 2016-11-22 09:49 pm (UTC)
lost_spook: (dw - individual daleks)
From: [personal profile] lost_spook
ha, sorry - that would be good, too, of course! :-)

Date: 2016-11-23 10:55 am (UTC)
shyfoxling: Ravenclaw crest (Default)
From: [personal profile] shyfoxling
As it turns out, the first four here were either new to me or I didn't remember reading them, so *tips hat* thanks for the recs!

Date: 2016-11-23 01:41 pm (UTC)
lost_spook: (librarian)
From: [personal profile] lost_spook
Hurrah! (I'm an incurable reccer; I'm an ex-librarian, it's in the bones...) :-)

Date: 2016-11-23 06:08 pm (UTC)
shyfoxling: Ravenclaw crest (Default)
From: [personal profile] shyfoxling
I'm a current cataloger (staff, though, not librarian; I don't have an MLIS), so I know that feel. My fanfic collection is actually cataloged, in the sense that I have spreadsheets by fandom with, well, you know, the assorted basic metadata. Although now that I describe it that way it might be amusing to actually knock together a MARC record for one. And the fact that I think that's "amusing" probably tells you something about my personality :P

Date: 2016-11-23 07:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shivver13.livejournal.com
Jeez, I wish I were as organized as you and [livejournal.com profile] lost_spook! I've always just read stuff and favorited/commented when I liked it, and then months later realized that I have NO IDEA how to find that really cool piece ever again. I really should start up a record like that. I've lost so many wonderful stories like that.

Date: 2016-11-23 08:38 pm (UTC)
lost_spook: (buffy - Giles librarian)
From: [personal profile] lost_spook
I used to be like that - I had lots of things favourited on Teaspoon, which was okay up to a point, but no use for elsewhere. So I just signed up for a bookmarking site (delicious at the time, but we all know how that ended; diigo now) & it is very useful - especially for reccing on Calufrax or anything like that!

Date: 2016-11-24 06:36 am (UTC)
shyfoxling: Ravenclaw crest (Default)
From: [personal profile] shyfoxling
I do also favorite things site by site, but one of the columns in the spreadsheet is "what site was this from" so if I can't remember, it'll tell me. I also tend to save local copies as Word docs and put the URL at the top, since people are prone to deleting journals after they're no longer in a fandom, etc.

Date: 2016-11-23 08:34 pm (UTC)
lost_spook: (buffy - Giles librarian)
From: [personal profile] lost_spook
LOL, I wouldn't know how to put together a MARC record, (but I just about know one when I see one). And I do keep my non-fiction in rough Dewey Decimal order on my bookshelves! (I don't know how you would find stuff any other way.) :-D

Date: 2016-11-24 06:43 am (UTC)
shyfoxling: Ravenclaw crest (Default)
From: [personal profile] shyfoxling
uh oh.



(I saw this originally on tumblr but couldn't find it, and it was just faster to remake it. you get the idea)

I don't do tons of original cataloging in my position, but I stare at premade MARC day after day, so.

Date: 2016-11-24 09:07 am (UTC)
lost_spook: (buffy - Giles librarian)
From: [personal profile] lost_spook
LOL! When I was at uni, the main library on campus went by Library of Congress, while the Information & library campus library used extreme Dewey Decimal. I never could get my head around library of congress. I'm sure it makes sense to someone, somewhere. Possibly in the Library of Congress. ;-)

Date: 2016-12-02 04:17 am (UTC)
shyfoxling: Ravenclaw crest (Default)
From: [personal profile] shyfoxling
Funny, I feel the same way about Dewey ;)... I'm actually taking an online intro to Dewey and LC course right now, and while I've used Dewey as a patron in libraries, I never had any clue how the numbers were constructed. I'm not sure I have gained much of one.. it's baffling!

Date: 2016-12-02 09:07 am (UTC)
lost_spook: (librarian)
From: [personal profile] lost_spook
Not only do I get how Dewey is constructed, I once learned to glue my own Dewey Decimal numbers together while doing my library degree, so, hand on heart, there is a logic in there! (Like, you can work out the history number for a country if you know its geography number, for instance.)

(Er, sorry, Shivver. Did you want random library classification talk here? We're just about to start a Dewey vs Library of Congress war...)

Date: 2016-12-02 07:23 pm (UTC)
shyfoxling: Ravenclaw crest (Default)
From: [personal profile] shyfoxling
There are mnemonic parallels like that in LC too. It's just that I've worked with LC for 8 years whereas this was basically an infodump on Dewey over what amounted to a few hours - and not even face to face instruction, so it was a bit being thrown in at the deep end. But yeah, I figure [livejournal.com profile] shivver13 is getting pretty sick of this by now, heh.

Date: 2016-12-02 07:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shivver13.livejournal.com
Not at all! I don't understand a word of it, but I'm enjoying watching the discussion! Please continue.

Date: 2016-12-02 09:09 pm (UTC)
lost_spook: (librarian)
From: [personal profile] lost_spook
Yes, and the only way to get your head around a classification system is to use it, anyway. I have only used LoC as a rather mystifying way of finding books in one solitary library that used it, whereas I've used and worked in libraries using Dewey all my life, in addition to some basic study. (As I was a children's librarian, I never did serious in-depth classification stuff anyway. But it was useful, when people would look at me and ask, "What do you do in Information and Library Studies?" and (and when it wasn't an excuse for them to go, "Learn to say shh?") I could say, poker face, "We learn how to glue Dewey Decimal numbers together." :-D

Date: 2016-12-02 07:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shivver13.livejournal.com
I'm good with it! I'm learning stuff! Not well, and not anything I'll ever use, but it's still stuff!

Date: 2016-11-16 10:04 am (UTC)
lost_spook: (cute kittens)
From: [personal profile] lost_spook
Ah, I'm sorry - I was misled by you choosing Rimmer! I hope you do find the time at some point - it sounds as if you'd only got to S2, and I think S3-6 is pretty much the high point of RD. Plus, Kryten. (There's nothing he loves so much as laundry! Unless it's doing the hoovering. :-D) And much as I love original Holly, I do very much enjoy Hattie's Holly too.

I did get the impression that somewhere deep down inside that he loved making life difficult, or at least more amusing.

Haha, yes. I think so. Gotta amuse yourself somehow after 3 million years alone in deep space, even when you are only a computer with an IQ of 6000.

Date: 2016-11-16 12:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shivver13.livejournal.com
Tegan Jovanka

First impression: Lavender. :) Actually, by the time I watched my first Tegan episode ("Logopolis"), I'd already heard that she was the "mouth on legs". The thing I remember most, though, was that she didn't let the Doctor sway her from her goal of getting to her job. I remember that because I thought at the time that the classic female companions were pretty much damsels in distress.

Impression now: While she's not as strong as, say, Ace, Tegan was a go-getter. She didsn't just sit by and let events sweep her along like Nyssa did. And she talked back.

Favorite moment: For possibly the only time in her travels, in "Black Orchid", Tegan has the upper hand on everyone else in terms of understanding where they are. She gets to enjoy watching the Doctor playing cricket and making friends at the cocktail party, while Nyssa and Adric spend the whole time very confused.

Idea for a story: Five once commented about how Tegan was a good leader and organizer, and I've always wanted to write a story demonstrating that. I did do one, but it wasn't very good and I'd like to try again.

Unpopular opinion: I really prefer Tegan to Nyssa. I know that everyone loves Nyssa, but honestly, Tegan had more personality, and she was down-to-earth and loyal.

Favorite relationship: Tegan and Turlough make the best siblings.

Favorite headcanon: I like to think that Tegan led a good life after leaving the TARDIS. I know she didn't due to her traveling experiences, or at least she went through some really hard times, but she's better now.

Date: 2016-11-16 05:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shivver13.livejournal.com
Ha, you know who I like talking about! :)

First impression: They did a good job of making DI Hardy unlikeable at first. Grumpy, antisocial, and unreasonable.

Impression now: Grumpy, antisocial... haha, actually no. Focused on his job to the point of not really understanding anyone else and not empathizing.

Favorite moment: When he went into the women's bathroom to try to help Miller after Joe pled not guilty, and subsequently tried to give her a hug because "that's what people do, isn't it?"

Idea for a story: I would want to write a bit of an introspective piece of him, either before he moved to Broadchurch or somewhere in the middle of series 1 as he's dealing with how much he hates his life in Broadchurch.

Unpopular opinion: Hardy should have died from the operation in the middle of series 2, leaving Miller to solve the Sandbrook case for him while dealing with Joe's trial.

Favorite relationship: Miller's and Hardy's friendship. Absolutely perfect.

Favorite headcanon: I can't think of any, actually. Though it's amusing to imagine that Hardy and Carver are twins separated at birth...
Edited Date: 2016-11-16 05:33 am (UTC)

Date: 2016-11-17 08:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dm12.livejournal.com
That bathroom hug (no hug!) moment truly was something else. It showed how awkward Hardy is with the idea of human interaction. There was a similar moment like that in S1 when he arrives on the scene (I think it was as they had info on the boat) early in the morning, and he just starts right in. Someone commented that "On Earth, it's customary to greet before starting on the work" or something like that! There are a lot of moments like that...

I have to agree about Hardy and Miller's friendship. It started out almost as loathing, but they both gained a great deal of respect for each other in the end.

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